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RansomesRob Tue, 01/03/2022

Hi folks. Thought you might like to see my latest acquisition, a 1930s? 12" Webb Deluxe. Clive rang to make me aware that it was for coming up for sale at an auction house near where I live so today I went and bid and was lucky enough to get it. I could see from the photo on the auction house website that it did'nt have the grease gun that would have come with it. Fortunately, Sean had posted some great photos of his Webb Windsor complete with grease gun so using one of his photos as an example I was able to spend a while on the Bay of E searching for one as I hoped it would be the same model as fitted to the Deluxe. Luckily I found 2, the Wakefield Castrolease Gun, so will be able to marry up the grease gun to my mower when it arrives. Hope you enjoy the photos and if anyone has any more info on the Deluxe I would love to know a bit more about it. Any copies of sales literature etc would be great and of course I would be happy to pay for it. Cheers. Rob

Webb Deluxe 1

Webb Deluxe 2

Webb Deluxe 3

Webb Deluxe 5

Webb Deluxe 4

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wristpin Tue, 01/03/2022

Nice tidy machine. Does look as though the cylinder blades have had a good few grinds in their time, but of more interest is what looks like there might be two sliding collars on the cylinder spindle, one either side of the centre web. Please enlighten us.

RansomesRob Tue, 01/03/2022

Hi Angus. Only had time to have a quick look at the mower this afternoon before taking off the handles and putting it in the Shed. Sadly, I have no idea what the sliding collars are for and am hoping that I might be able to obtain an operators manual for the mower to assist but, bearing in mind it's age, I am not holding my breath. I did notice that near those sliding collars there are, what look like Cotter Pins in the area as marked with a Blue dot on the latest photo.......not sure what their function is either! Not much use am I !! Hoping the mower experts in the Club can help me out. Cheers. Rob

Webb Deluxe Cotter Pins

Clive1997 Wed, 02/03/2022

Hi Rob

Really pleased you were able to secure the Webb, (and on your doorstep!!!) check out my article in Grassbox 91 "A Webb of Invention" link below, also I included 3 pages on H C Webb in my book as they were a very innovative business, their inventions in the late 1920's/early 1930's being adopted by many other mower manufacturers. 

Your machine could be as early as 1932 & was made in 10,12 & 14in, I have a spare parts list & will copy various catalogue & brochure references. You will also need a spanner as listed with the grease gun on the parts list! 

https://www.oldlawnmowerclub.co.uk/sites/default/files/grassbox/GB91.pdf

RansomesRob Wed, 02/03/2022

Cheers Clive. Hello Angus. Yes, pleased to get it and as you say only 5 minutes away from me. I do have a Webb Spanner but it might be a more recent version. Angus, thanks to Clive's piccies I wonder if the two collars on the cutting cylinder help to release the cutting cylinder from the mower body if moved to the centre of the cylinder? As always thanks both for the comments and the info. Cheers. Rob

RansomesRob Wed, 02/03/2022

Angus - Cotter Pins - Webb Deluxe. HI Angus, presume those Cotter Pins are there to keep the sliding collars in place until you need to remove the cutting cylinder? Cheers. Rob

RansomesRob Wed, 02/03/2022

Angus - Cotter Pins - Webb Deluxe. HI Angus, presume those Cotter Pins are there to keep the sliding collars in place until you need to remove the cutting cylinder? Cheers. Rob

wristpin Wed, 02/03/2022

Heard you the first time !!  Yes, but why sliding collars ( if that’s what they are)  in the first place? Is it some cunning ploy to allow the removal of the cylinder without splitting the frame.

Terminology.  I’ve always used the term cotters for the tapered pins with a nut , such as those that hold the pedal crank on a push bike, and the things similar to hair pins , split pins but  some people call those split cotters. Then of course there’s piston pins, gudgeon pins and Wristpins.

 

RansomesRob Wed, 02/03/2022

Hi Angus. Twitchy finger to blame for the duplication, apologies. Have put some feelers out to see if I can get hold of an Operator's Manual to fathom out some of the functions. Appreciate the info on Cotters/Pins etc. Not got too many of any of them in the tool box but certainly wish I had a 'Wristpin' to hand when encountering issues with my mowers!! Cheers Angus.   Rob

Clive1997 Thu, 03/03/2022

"Is it some cunning ploy to allow the removal of the cylinder without splitting the frame"

Nail on head Wristpin, extract from the 1928 patent attached, as said Webb, in particular Frank Walter Taylor (140 patents) were prolific in improvements to lawn mower manufacture in the late 1920's/early 1930's. The 1928 patent did cover 3 modifications, removable cylinder, front roller central height adjuster & bottom blade adjuster which was adopted by Qualcast & many others.

RansomesRob Fri, 04/03/2022

Grease Gun....'Wakefield Castrolease' to go with my 'Deluxe' arrived today. Really pleased with it's condition considering it's age.Spent 10 minutes cleaning it up and here it is. Cheers. Rob

Wakefield Grease Gun

Wakefield Grease Gun

Wakefield Grease Gun

Wakefield Grease Gun

RansomesRob Sat, 05/03/2022

Hi Triumph 66. Thanks for your kind comments. Yes, the Gun was in really good condition when I got it,  only being in need of a polish up. 10 minute rub with 'Brasso' and a soft cloth and that was it. I will give the mower itself a good clean up shortly.  Clive is going to help me out with some copies of sales literature, operator instructions, spares list etc and the jobs a good un !! Cheers. Rob